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« on: March 09, 2005, 12:28:28 »

Hello everyone Smiley

I been doing alchemy for awhile now and i have found lots of history on it and some info. But what I'm looking for now is a description or a guide to circles or as preferred transformation, transmutation circles. If anyone can tell me where to find this info or a guide of some kind or if you could explain it to me i would be most grateful
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2005, 12:42:36 »

change lead into gold

science will beat the alchemists to it
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2005, 15:37:51 »

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change lead into gold

science will beat the alchemists to it


That's the gold for the soul not actual gold Smiley

Stop messing around now Smiley Can anyone help me?
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2005, 15:46:56 »

what exactly is alchemy?

some say its crackpot old science fakers

some say its scientist wannabes

some say its true but covered-up science

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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2005, 18:44:55 »

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what exactly is alchemy?

some say its crackpot old science fakers

some say its scientist wannabes

some say its true but covered-up science

..... ?


Hmm i guess itīs best truly described as a spiritual science Smiley
As i said before Alchemy is or was not trying to make actual gold and well i believe that if they did they were not true alchemists i think that it is to create gold for the soul or astral body or spirit. Whatever you want to call it Smiley And it is not the practice of drawing symbols or making potions,essences,oils that holds the power. It is as with every astral or magical or whatever it might be your taking interest in the power of the mind and nature or god that is that comes first.

(sorry if it was weird Smiley )
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2005, 03:37:15 »

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Hello everyone Smiley

I been doing alchemy for awhile now and i have found lots of history on it and some info. But what I'm looking for now is a description or a guide to circles or as preferred transformation, transmutation circles. If anyone can tell me where to find this info or a guide of some kind or if you could explain it to me i would be most grateful


Do you mean a spiritual development circle that performs Alchemy together ? Is your goal enlightening the base nature of self from lead to the gold ? If so I can help .
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Hello everyone Smiley

I been doing alchemy for awhile now and i have found lots of history on it and some info. But what I'm looking for now is a description or a guide to circles or as preferred transformation, transmutation circles. If anyone can tell me where to find this info or a guide of some kind or if you could explain it to me i would be most grateful


Do you mean a spiritual development circle that performs Alchemy together ? Is your goal enlightening the base nature of self from lead to the gold ? If so I can help .


Yes you describe it perfectly. Alchemy can also be a link between Astral and Material but i want to practice the spiritual development and the touch of nature in this wonderful art Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2005, 05:56:09 »

Hello Astral Sailor
   I would suggest reading Franz Bardon's book Initiation into Hermetics. You can download it for free on the web. Self-alchemy has many adherents and a web search through Google or the Avatar search engine should turn up a lot of different sites.
   The basics for self-alchemy is covered in Hermetics. If you want to ask me any question pem me at nita@astralhealer.com
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2005, 06:01:08 »

Thanks will search Smiley
Read some of you posts redcatherine
and I'm interested. Will you help me?
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2005, 08:37:28 »

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Thanks will search Smiley
Read some of you posts redcatherine
and I'm interested. Will you help me?

No worries happy to assist
and many kindred souls
will be online here in Astral Pulse
that can offer some guidance too
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2005, 17:11:16 »

Thanks for your kindness Smiley
I want to learn about symbols and there meaning and how to use them. I know how to channel elements at least i can do the basic Smiley. So basically what i need most help with is how to use this symbols,circles and what they mean. Can you tell me something about this?

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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2005, 14:36:26 »

We did not see this symbol until after we completed the journey of the white and black sphinx

this symbol then is beyond the great work
it is to enter  the phoenix stage
the resurrection of the self
the rebirth
it will appear in dreams or meditation
to the seeker after they have raised the fourth flame the princess or cyan flame of the kundalini the fourth flame completes the square and the throne of God becomes apparent at the base of the spine in a 2 by 2 square
very quickly this develops to a 3 by 3 square
then the nadis begin to open up

when the seeker has climbed the tree of life fully they burn it away
the tri fold flame of pink yellow and blue unbraid and nourish the soil
the bud emerges to
find the egg in the flower of life
in the centre of our base
which contains the nadis in four sections that together form the obelisk that runs through our energy body as a channel
it looks like a rectangle over which an x has been imposed that neatly  divides the rectangle into 4 sections from the centre
the overlapping square of 9 is the throne of God

the first section to complete is the heavens
it is indigo
moonlight
cold
and heavy
it is feminine
and creative

the nadis in this section open behind the square so a row of 5 then a row of 6 for 20 altogether

the number of nadis opened at a sitting go like this
1 1 2 3 5 8 13 this is a Fibonacci sequence
so

so this is further down the path

now then the symbols on top like the omega symbol were not on the one we found in meditation
but we were told the
 orange is earth volcano electric hot the phoenix and rebirth
and
indigo is heavens magnetic cold the seahorse , shark et al and death

the right and left are the past and the future the centre the present
and the far front or top is the chaotic  thought of what has yet to be and what may be undone by the will of God

so
more on that later

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Thanks for your kindness Smiley
I want to learn about symbols and there meaning and how to use them. I know how to channel elements at least i can do the basic Smiley. So basically what i need most help with is how to use this symbols,circles and what they mean. Can you tell me something about this?
May the love be with you


use the elements to open the vortex alone
protect with prayer and light and then
lay in da Vinci position
arms at shoulder palms up
and legs spread
eyes close

make the dominant hand light hot electric orange masculine
and the non dominant hand heavy cold magnetic and indigo feminine

see the crown energy female centre of the third eye as yellow the sun and make a triangle now of these three continue to visualise manifest and form the energy of these three until you have spheres in your palms and above your crown then roll them and make them stronger deeper in colour
once you manage to open the vortex with 3 then try 4
make a square using the three and add the male storage centre in the abdomen see it as light hot and swollen  with energy

now see each of these four points on the square become the elements

think right or dominant  hand fire see the sphere red hot electric  
think left hand ice see the sphere blue white freezing  magnetic
now the crown the sun dried air  warm  light
now the tummy earth moist  loose red

see the heart become akasha silver spirit self

see this as the triangle then the square then the star

open a harder but stronger one using your feet cyan and salmon


another method is hands and feet and heart
as earth fire air water and akasha for the star and then add the
female as heavens as above and the male as earth so below
this will make 7 spheres

ultimately more spheres more difficult to control manifest but stronger energy created so that you can open further realms at a higher vibration


you will see the vortex clairvoyantly as a circle fuzzy edges as big as a basketball will it larger seeing self in centre pushing away at the sides
often you can see angels hands holding it open for you

God wants us to move forward and sends the angels to help us .


ask some more
will try my best
going to bed now
God Bless
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We did not see this symbol until after we completed the journey of the white and black sphinx

this symbol then is beyond the great work
it is to enter  the phoenix stage
the resurrection of the self
the rebirth
it will appear in dreams or meditation
to the seeker after they have raised the fourth flame the princess or cyan flame of the kundalini the fourth flame completes the square and the throne of God becomes apparent at the base of the spine in a 2 by 2 square
very quickly this develops to a 3 by 3 square
then the nadis begin to open up

when the seeker has climbed the tree of life fully they burn it away
the tri fold flame of pink yellow and blue unbraid and nourish the soil
the bud emerges to
find the egg in the flower of life
in the centre of our base
which contains the nadis in four sections that together form the obelisk that runs through our energy body as a channel
it looks like a rectangle over which an x has been imposed that neatly  divides the rectangle into 4 sections from the centre
the overlapping square of 9 is the throne of God

the first section to complete is the heavens
it is indigo
moonlight
cold
and heavy
it is feminine
and creative

the nadis in this section open behind the square so a row of 5 then a row of 6 for 20 altogether

the number of nadis opened at a sitting go like this
1 1 2 3 5 8 13 this is a Fibonacci sequence
so

so this is further down the path

now then the symbols on top like the omega symbol were not on the one we found in meditation
but we were told the
 orange is earth volcano electric hot the phoenix and rebirth
and
indigo is heavens magnetic cold the seahorse , shark et al and death

the right and left are the past and the future the centre the present
and the far front or top is the chaotic  thought of what has yet to be and what may be undone by the will of God

so
more on that later

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Thanks for your kindness Smiley
I want to learn about symbols and there meaning and how to use them. I know how to channel elements at least i can do the basic Smiley. So basically what i need most help with is how to use this symbols,circles and what they mean. Can you tell me something about this?
May the love be with you


use the elements to open the vortex alone
protect with prayer and light and then
lay in da Vinci position
arms at shoulder palms up
and legs spread
eyes close

make the dominant hand light hot electric orange masculine
and the non dominant hand heavy cold magnetic and indigo feminine

see the crown energy female centre of the third eye as yellow the sun and make a triangle now of these three continue to visualise manifest and form the energy of these three until you have spheres in your palms and above your crown then roll them and make them stronger deeper in colour
once you manage to open the vortex with 3 then try 4
make a square using the three and add the male storage centre in the abdomen see it as light hot and swollen  with energy

now see each of these four points on the square become the elements

think right or dominant  hand fire see the sphere red hot electric  
think left hand ice see the sphere blue white freezing  magnetic
now the crown the sun dried air  warm  light
now the tummy earth moist  loose red

see the heart become akasha silver spirit self

see this as the triangle then the square then the star

open a harder but stronger one using your feet cyan and salmon


another method is hands and feet and heart
as earth fire air water and akasha for the star and then add the
female as heavens as above and the male as earth so below
this will make 7 spheres

ultimately more spheres more difficult to control manifest but stronger energy created so that you can open further realms at a higher vibration


you will see the vortex clairvoyantly as a circle fuzzy edges as big as a basketball will it larger seeing self in centre pushing away at the sides
often you can see angels hands holding it open for you

God wants us to move forward and sends the angels to help us .


ask some more
will try my best
going to bed now
God Bless
Om Shanti


Thanks Smiley

And WOW you really know alot about the great work Smiley i had no idea about this oh tought i know there are many kinds of meditations Smiley will be sure to try this Smiley And yes Allah wants us to move forward and sends both angels and jinns to help Smiley

Will try this tec Smiley
Who developed all of this spiritual work tec?

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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2005, 23:44:04 »

If you will sit in meditation the information and skills will be shown to you by spirit teachers . This is an ancient practice . Many notables will come forward to show you the way .
I have not read your energy body so I cannot say where to begin but the beginning but I can intuit that you should begin after the magician if you can open the vortex. The opening of the basic triangular vortex is the stage after the hermetic magician and before the alchemist stage begins .

I had not opened the 7 until last night . I was shown to roll the energy of the spheres in the male and the female storage centres back and forth along the spine to make a bridge of sunlight and moonlight only one at a time .

so
earth salmon red the dominant leg and foot
fire orange  the dominant arm hand and palm
air cyan green the non dominant leg and foot
water blue the indigo that is the heavens becomes the sea of stars
open the four make star the akasha in the centre at the heart or between the heart and solar plexus

now make the sun roll from the corwn centre across the bridge that is your spine all lit up with chakras
and make it go to sleep in the male centre and set there then roll the moon from the male centre across the spine to rise above the stars

this will make a very beautiful experience spiritually
make sure to invoke with love the presence of your guides and angels
to build the energy and share this with you and to protect you

the opening will be a fissure this time
the male opening is a round vortex
the female opening is a slit in the fabric of the ethereal plane
both are fuzzy in light around the edges
and both will take you to see the masters and explore the spiritual realms

open with love and with will
intention should be clear
where will you go
if you do not know where to go yet

then begin at the great pyramid
and then go from there to Shamballah
and then ask to go to the temples of wisdom

energy is so important
if you want to travel you must have a strong energy body
the colours should not be seen just at the hand and foot but right through the entire body

the sun is pale yellow male electric it begins as half of the head and becomes half of the entire trunk

the moon is pale platinum silver blue it becomes half of the trunk too
like a beachball these two share a space

the legs come next the salmon pinky orange red of the dominant leg is the nature of earth moist and warm electric see it from the hip to the toes
the cyan ethereal ghostbusters sorta green is the colour of the other leg it is the air cool and light and dry

the dominant arm is hot light and electric volcanic bright and destructive
the other arm is cold heavy magnetic waterfalll moonlight ocean and heavens it is dark and creative

the palms begin as white and black the dominant one white
then they develop to indigo blue  and amber golden orange

the akasha the soul the self is a brilliant starry flame  on the heart of anu

there are minor colours of the nipples of the breast that have not been revealed to me yet but they form another bridge like the one over the spine
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the male centre is between the red sacral and the orange chakra
it is the reason why the yogi has a swollen belly when the ascetic is so thin everywhere else this is the place the energy gathers before it begins to rise the next set of nadis it is called the girdle it is down and power and force it is wisdom

the female centre is between the third eye and crown and is called the
caput it is gentle and intuitive  it is love

the power is blue comes with time and practice over whole body  and slowly develops more and more
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the alchemist must work on the balance of spiritual emotional physical and mental energies to manifest the perfected energy body
this is done with discipline over time
by dreams prayers meditation and good works
by healing and manifesting good for self and others
white lighting and projection
and by travel to realms

to learn first hand from the teachers in spirit
called the mahatma
mohamed  will appear as will Jesus and Buddha
and  Fatima and Mary  and Quan Yen
et al
we have seen the buddhist , hindu , muslem , christian , egyptian manifestations of the Godhead
all paths lead to God

there is one planetary pillar of light and wisdom called God
one God above all
but there have been many human manifestations of this light
 across many cultures and they are all part of the nature of God
trying to teach us and bring us to enlightenment

it is not an attainment we seek
but the journey the path of ever more lightening
the soul from lead of negativity grief and pain
to gold of love light and laughter

we imbibe more stacks of chakras with light and we fill the nadis with prana and become energized and open
still the fool
but aware now of the goal

and able to allow the living light
to dwell within us more wholly
and to merge with the universal mind



ask away i will do what i can to help you


God developed all of this
it is the natural unfolding of the map to go back home
we are spirit in a human body
we are not so much learning
as recalling


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oh tought i know there are many kinds of meditations Smiley will be sure to try this Smiley And yes Allah wants us to move forward and sends both angels and jinns to help :)Will try this tec :)Who developed all of this spiritual work tec?


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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2005, 17:38:56 »

I have been researching circles as well. Where did you get the idea that circles contained power for alchemy?

Believe it or not, FMA actually uses derivatives of real circles, so it is not far off. However, most circles are used like gemstones in magic. They enhance alchemy, and sometimes make it easier, but you must first have knowledge and some amount of ability for the alchemy circles to even work.

My avatar is an alchemy symbol... it is used a LONG while down the path when obtaining previous bodies (solar, light) that were created in previous lifetimes. (If you look in the upper right corner you'll find the enochian symbol for death.)

I hope this helps. Most circles are used when created by the user themselves. Much like magick, crystals, and oils, circles are highly individual and have no one real use... in alchemy, the pentagram is basicaly the equivalent of quartz to gem magick. (Except it of course is the universal protecting symbol. =])
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2005, 17:21:06 »

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I have been researching circles as well. Where did you get the idea that circles contained power for alchemy?


It is not so much the circle
but the completeness of the nested sacred geometry
within as without actually
that was revealed to my group in meditation

the rectangle within the circles
that is divided in 4 sections of triangles

and 2 cones of invisibility on either side
expressing the speed of light into future or past
which have circular bases by definition

and the square in the centre at that 90 degree angle offset
to the rectangle so that it is rhomboid

and the overlapping of this rhombus
over the vertices of the 4 adjacent triangles
this is the exact description of the oneness template

and the throne of God within the mystery of the obelisk

so it has been revealed to us in meditation as an ancient mapping

and if you would look down the opposing cones
from the base of one to the base of another
seeing the rectangular based obelisk that is in each of them
it would appear as you see in this avatar of yours


so where did you get yours ?
was it from a text or online or did you create it wholly ?

this symbol contains
the rectangular prism base of the nadis
and the crystal obelisk of the kundalini

and the hermetic four element triangles
which are the triangle numberf 7 or 28
times four = 112
that the base is divided into
indigo at south
orange at north
and green and red to either side east and west

and the throne of God in the centre
as a square of 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 or 16 in total
the 16 + 112= 128 which is exactly the number
of initiations taken to reach the centre of the double naped cones
the half way mark of this part of the path



so yeah i would say it is a pretty powerful alchemical symbol mate lol
but more of a "see this and recall it" visualisation image
then a tool to manifest the change
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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2005, 07:38:14 »

Hey i tried out what you told me and well itīs kinda hard but i get an energy feeling Smiley Perhaps you could sense what lv I'm on or what you said and help?

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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2005, 22:14:19 »

using certain principles of quantum physics, one sees that the universe can be affected by the human mind. Alchemy employs that ability of willpower to decompose things down to the basic elements (or even elementary particles, but that requires more energy), then rebuild them, using the Law of Equivalent Trade (the show Full Metal Alchemist gets really close to the science). YOU CANNOT TURN LEAD INTO GOLD. That has been a great arguement over the years, and it has been found that the decay doesnt work right........but lead can be turned into about a quarter its wieght in U-238....
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2005, 18:09:07 »

Is there anyplace I can go to read up more on this subject?
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